karen, can you explain to our viewers why the nra keeps putting wayne lapierre out there? because other than the truth about gun violence, he's got to be the best asset for gun safety advocates we've ever had. >> well, because if you read the last third of the piece that you mentioned that was in "the daily caller" it's very clear the goal is to raise money for the organization, to try to stoke paranoia to increase gun sales because, don't forget, the nra has lots of partnership with gun and ammo dealers so they actually make money when guns and ammunition are sold, and he names a couple of gun sellers in that piece, and then he also has a call for people to join the nra. clearly he knows the majority of his current members don't actually agree with him. so he's trying to get more members who will actually back this sort of more radical out of touch agenda. i think we need to be clear, he is crazy like a fox this man. he is not -- it's very easy to read some of this language and dismiss it as crazy, and it is, but it's also very calculating and i think we need to be very c